You have to love the dogged determination, anger, and repetitive use of outdated rhetoric.
Since I try to help all people ,let review the evidence or rational of this discussion. Please stop me if I use big words.Let me also admit that I lied about not writing anything else about this topic. Sorry.
First, facts and history are on the side of Christianity when attacked by science misused by some atheist. First of all, the biggest rule is that there is no historical facts that atheist can use so they try to destroy or change what they can't understand. They try to spin it.
Second is their claim that science has all the "knowledge" and claims to refute the bible. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Has science duplicated this. The answer is no. You can go though everyday of creation and science can only duplicate one day. The seventh day God rested. These facts are solid.
Third is that they want God to take a blood test or "show his ID" You want to scientifically understand God when you can't even come close to doing what he has done. They want to understand the creator of the universe by a slide rule or a petrie dish. That is like trying to get to the moon in little red wagon. They still stand back and shake their fist at God and try to disclaim him. Man, who doesn't even use 1/2 of their brain is trying to match up to infinite knowledge. I do believe that some of our greatest human brain are in the field of science, but compared to the knowledge of God it is very small. Its like the puff fish that tries to make itself look bigger then it is to scare off those who would attack him.
Fourth is the child like temper tantrum and name calling when someone won't except their point of view and claims that everyone is an idiot if you don't buy into their outdated rhetoric. When all else fails, scream yell, and call names.
Now that I have put this to rest point, set and match lets understand something. We Christians also don't have all the answers. God did not give us a bigger brain or made us better in any way. We are all part of the human race with everything that come along with it. The biggest difference is the atheist inability to realise that not all thing can be understood. If they cant see it, explain it, or break it down in a petrie dish, it must be false. We christian call it faith, believing without seeing. As atheism stumbles for an identity in this world, so do we as christian. We divide our selves into denomination, religions, and some claim that they are the only one. We try to convert the world when in most cases we don't have control of our own lives. You don't need to try to tear someone down to build yourself up. You don't need to convert the world when you can't talk to your neighbor. Atheism and Christianity will never agree until the final proof, There is a heaven or we all are worm food when we die.
I wish the world was black and white, I wish that all christian could come together in peace and harmony, I wish for peace an harmony among all people. As for Atheist and Christians alike, I hope you solve your identity crisis.
I am some what upset that I was pulled into a dialogue that melts down to"I'm right and you are wrong". If I come across with the image that I know everything, that would be a wrong, and I hope I didn't. I don't hate atheist and I have to refrain from name calling when they refuse to see the light. I am sharing my faith and beliefs for all to see. Share your own beliefs.
Fourth point are the "cry baby" atheist that stamp their feet and claim that no one acknowledges them. I just read an article on Jack Adams face book that claim the atheist are never polled. To these atheist, you claim not to be a religion, a party and no political agenda. You have no by rule and are not a branch of science. There is no count to how many atheist there are out there. I have no doubt that there are many atheist, some more fringe then others. In short, A non religion, that wants to be counted as a religion to be counted, and then disappear into the dust. As far as religions go, they are a religion with the good and bad that come from that. Welcome to the real world.
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Negative proof fallacy (because you can't prove God didn't create that world, that means he did). False dilemma (that science or your God specifically are the only 2 options). Ad hominem (trying to pretend that I'm too stupid to understand your "big words", in spite of us already covering the fact previously that I am generally better educated, better spoken, with a better vocabulary and associated spelling skills etc... so this is really stooping on your part).
It goes on from there to claim that scientists don't understand the facts... without providing any evidence to back up that claim.
It claims that atheists are misusing science to disprove religion, in spite of science simply disproving core claims of Judeo-Christian creation mythology as a wholly unintended consequence of establishing objective facts supported by independently verified and verifiable evidence.
"Second is their claim that science has all the "knowledge" and claims to refute the bible."
I never said that science has all the knowledge and even clarified that that fact is an inherent part of the scientific method. To gain that knowledge through empirical observation of the objective reality in which we live. To continually update, revise, error correct, and expand that objective fact based knowledge and understanding of our universe in order to be able to make further accurate predictions based on that independently verified and verifiable information etc.
And yes, it DOES refute core parts of the bible. The Creation Myth (and essentially everything in it), Adam and Eve, Original Sin, Noah's Ark, etc... essentially every claim about the natural world that we know know to be wrong.
"Man, who doesn't even use 1/2 of their brain is trying to match up to infinite knowledge."
This and its related comments are, as usual, wrong on several levels. Not only do you yet again ASSUME that your God is real, without any evidence, and denying the possibility of OTHER Gods, or NO God even... but you make the mistake of thinking that humans only use half of our brains, when in fact we use the whole thing, with different parts specialized for different purposes, sometimes using more parts of our brain at once for more complex tasks, or less parts for simpler ones etc... but all of it being used at one time or another. The claim of man only using half, or as more usually claimed, 10% is a myth... again illustrating your lack of scientific knowledge and understanding.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp
You continually make fallacious references to the knowledge of God, which is a fallacy of begging the question... presupposing that God actually exists, without any evidence, and then arguing that you have any concept of the intelligence and knowledge of a being that you haven't established as existing in the first place.
(And leading us back to the negative proof fallacy, false dilemma, special pleading, etc... as covered numerous times, and every time ignored by you because they illustrate the failures in your reasoning.)
Next you should read the beginning of my next blog post: http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2010/06/idiocy-continues.html where I illustrate the fallacy of you referencing my name calling as though it has any relevance on the validity of my arguments, when it doesn't.
As usual showing how little you understand about logic, debate, science, and even your own religion etc. Being generally bested by me on every point you try to make and being unwilling to admit it.
"We Christians also don't have all the answers. God did not give us a bigger brain or made us better in any way."
And yet you're unwilling to acknowledge that science does have valid, objective fact based, logical and rational explanations for things contrary to what the bible claims... and as such is a more reliable, accurate, and valuable method of understanding the real world than your religion.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." -- Galileo Galilei
"There is a heaven or we all are worm food when we die."
As I have covered many times now, THIS IS A FALSE DILEMMA DON.
YOUR religion's claims of a heaven (or hell for that matter) are NOT the only possible options other than worm food, irrespective of their validity in the first place. Presenting the only alternatives as YOUR religions heaven/hell, or "worm food" is dishonest and wrong on your part... and aggravatingly so given how many times you've had this pointed out to you and yet continue to INTENTIONALLY use that invalid and dishonest method of trying to trick people into agreeing with you.
I can go right down the list of your absurd and dishonest excusing making, illustrating all the same fallacies and misstatements and ignorance that I have in almost every other comment you've made... but since it's pretty clear you won't acknowledge ANY of it, I'm not going to waste my time at the moment.
"There is no count to how many atheist there are out there. I have no doubt that there are many atheist, some more fringe then others."
One more comment in response to that stupidity as well.
There are more atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, humanists, and other non-religious people than there are Jews, Muslims, and all other non-Christian religious Americans combined, by about 4 TIMES as many... and far more there are Black people in the US.
If that gives you a little perspective. At least 15% of Americans don't believe in ANY Gods, along with the 3.9% that don't believe in YOUR particular religion's version of God, and a further 5.2% that didn't know or just refused to answer the question.
(And this was just in 2008, with the numbers rising in our favor in EVERY SINGLE STATE in the US.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
(And the linked polls and studies etc that show the sources of that information.)
For an interesting look in the drop;
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/17/858249/-Belief-In-God-Plummets-Among-Younger-Generation
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-02-25-survey_N.htm
As usual, you don't know what you're talking about... and don't appear to have really even tried to do any research to disabuse yourself of your ignorance, nor have you seemingly made any attempt to actually look at and comprehend any of the wealth of information I have both provided to you and explained to you.
Par for course. *sigh*
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