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Wednesday, June 16, 2010

What a 24 hours. As I mentioned before, I was on facebook having what I thought was a civilized discussion with an atheist. What I didn't realize is that the wall belonged to another atheist. Ok, no problems, I have had many such discussion. My son Donald in Japan joined in. Having studied cults and religion I remembered the standard way cults use to win you to their side. This system has been used for many years and was abandoned by because it doesn't work. I could not believe that they were still using this. In short, the system start out with empathy, then the person telling how well versed he or she is in the bible. The next step is a switch to science to start a base of discussion. The next step is to merge all other religions and compare it to science. The next crucial step is to take the bible, and compare it to science. The trick is to stay clear of narrowing down to one denomination or faith, keep it general. One example is how could christian defend the crusades etc... The next move is to cut down the bible into an English interpretation, avoiding all translation and language barriers in translating. Keep piling on useless fact and then tell the person that only he knows the correct translation. The book that Christians most Revere, the book that they most hate, they are going to interpret it for you since you are not smart enough. If this is not working, they will resort to carpet bombing. They want to pour on so much information to make you feel little. If this doesn't work, which is very rare, they will insult you and move on. They will always talk in generalities and never specifics. The last phase that usually works is go apologize for the outburst and try to get the person to hear what they want you to hear. This is the Dale Carnage approach. They will try to point out how you really agree with them. They will say how smart you really are as if to say that ordinary people don't understand, only the highly educated like themselves. What astounded me the most is that Jehovah's Witness stopped using this process over 20 years ago. Most atheist stay clear of the bible, and try to interject politic to get converts. This system was used by a person who was educating your children. Politicians love to use this system by telling people they can only be heard by agreeing with the party, not the person. They will do the thinking for you. I guess it just goes to show you that there is nothing new under the sun. People are creatures of habit and will always fall into old ruts. When someone tries to think for you, run, they are trying to sell you something that most people won't buy on it's own value.

3 comments:

JStressman said...

http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2010/06/your-par-for-course-debate-with.html

Why don't you let them read for themselves Don and judge for themselves.

Your par for course debate with Christians on Facebook.

I trust you're an honest enough man to do that.

dadderz said...

My athiest friend followed the handbook I discribed. If you follow his writings, you will see that he followed it. He really did it one better. Since he couldn't change history, he swore at me, called me a idiot. He denies years of history and all he can say is a swear word and say that he will block me from his site. Justin, you are always welcome to my site and I will pray for you even if you don't want me to. Remember, God loves you.

JStressman said...

Don't worry Don, I'll be posting the rest of our conversation as well to illustrate the childishly simple explanations I gave you that you couldn't wrap your head around... and all the actual facts that you flat out deny and then come crawling back here to try to promote your wholly incorrect view of how things went.

It really is like playing Chess with a Pigeon. You really don't understand the rules of the game so to speak. You don't understand logic, empirical evidence, sound reason, rational critical assessment of facts, object facts versus subjective opinions, independently verified and continuously critically assessed scientific objective facts about the age of the Earth, physics, chemistry, geology, cosmology etc... things which soundly disprove the foundational claims of your Judeo-Christian faith.

And all you can do is keep asserting fallacious and invalid excuses, in spite of all the evidence and reason to the contrary, of which you've presented no links or independent reference material of your own to counter it aside from pointing at the bible and related documents as the ONLY record of history, in spite of me flat out explaining to you which religions and civilizations PREDATED that and had their OWN versions of the origins of the Earth etc and had entire cultures well under way at the time your ancient mythology claims that God created our little flat Earth under its mechanical dome etc... and entire civilizations that were well in swing when your silly myth book claims the entire world was covered by a flood 20 feet higher than the highest mountain on Earth... and yet you just IGNORE ALL OF IT because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear.

Confirmation bias and dishonesty to a BREATHTAKING degree.

I called you an idiot because you ARE an idiot Don. And there is no other reasonable explanation for why after days and days of being provided with clear explanations, dozens and dozens of links to further reference material etc... that you haven't admitted a single mistake, haven't budged at all in your stubborn insistence that you're right and I'm wrong... that the entire history of scientific discovery is just empty, invalid OPINIONS to you...

You'd have thought when you studied cults in school that you'd learn to see brainwashing in yourself... but clearly not.

(And remember, calling you an idiot WHILE PROVING WHY you're an idiot.. explaining it, providing the facts that show why, the sound valid reasoning to support it.. that isn't an ad hominem. That is a justified statement of fact. You are an idiot because you insist that things you yourself admit cannot be proven, and have no objective evidence to support them (aside from the bible et al, which again, I already explained to you why that wasn't a valid measure of evidence because by the same standards of evidence that you claim that meets, so do the scriptures of every other major religion, both before and after yours... but you couldn't get that fact through your head either.)

I realize I'm beating a dead horse and this is falling on a broken brain... but at least maybe others will see this and understand just how far short of the mark you've fallen.

It just amazes me that NOTHING gets through to you. You're so invested in your delusion that you deny the whole of modern science... and have the gall to try to insult my mother is a "crispy Christian" when you ARE NO DIFFERENT DON.

When it comes down to it, you're just as irrational as she is.

I just hope some day you can see that.